Legalize Weed

[MrLegacy]

A few days ago I posted this thread:

http://bootylounge.org/forum/showthread.php?t=485

now my question to you guys is do you think they should make weed legal only for medical purposes?

[unstable]

lol im blessed with the fact that its legal over here for any purpose

[MorpheusX]

I use no drugs of any kind. Hell, I only drink socially.

But I believe that all drugs should be decriminalized, but not all drugs should be legalized.

I think that marijuana should be legalized and sold like beer or liquor. It has medicinal purposes, is non-habit forming and is far healthier for you than cigarettes.

As for cocaine, heroine, ecstacy, LSD, PCP, people addicted to them should be offered VOLUNTARY psychological treatment. Preferably Neuro-Linguistic Programming, rather than traditional (bullshit) Gestalt and other forms of psychotherapy.

[GaLupo]

Morph I'm right there with you.
If people want to kill them selves then so be it they will self destruct one way or another.

In terms of Marajuana all I have to say is listen to my boy Peter Tosh....

[G1]

yeah why not legalize weed,
It should be sold in stores just like cigarettes in lil boxes labeled
18 and over though with I.D.

[wurf]

shit its legal to me

[cumperv]

I'm moving to where Unstable is at. Shit. It's illegal over here and they look at it as back as heroin and meth. Which is absolute bullshit. I think it should be legal for people who enjoy a lift everyonce in a while. However, there are people that let it rule thier life. I mean, there are doctors that I know that smoke pot and you don't seem them being low lifes!!!

[Da God]

I'm like Morph, cept for the fact that i dont drink at all.

No Drugs of this nature will never be legal for the simple fact too much money is being made off the fact that they are illegal.

Here in New Orleans more than 70% of all inmates in jail are in becuz of drugs.
Here in New Orleans the city gets $88 a head every night it has to keep a prisoner.

only half our population is back but we have about 10,000 inmates in jail now...you do the math.

I'm sure it's like this every where else maybe not 88 bucks but the city gets some fee for house criminals.

Plus, the main reason we will never legalize drugs, is becuz White America doesn't make the best drugs, brown people do.

[Big_Ro]

Yea I agree with Morph, do they know how much money they could make if they made weed legal that's a billion dollar industry if you make it legal if they gone make it legal for medical purposes they might as well start selling that shit at the corner store. Me personally only smoked weed a few times under peer pressure in school but I don't touch the stuff now.

[G1]

Yea I agree with Morph, do they know how much money they could make if they made weed legal that's a billion dollar industry if you make it legal if they gone make it legal for medical purposes they might as well start selling that shit at the corner store. Me personally only smoked weed a few times under peer pressure in school but I don't touch the stuff now.

we talkin about trillions here fam, everybody would smoke weed, I seriously think It would replace cigarettes.

[Kingpin]

I find the line between decriminalization and legalization to be a bit blurry. When you're caught doing something illegal, it usually goes on your criminal record, no? I've never had any trouble with the law, being a goodie-two shoes (apart from the whole piracy deal). I waited until legal age to drink, I don't own a firearm, I obey the law to a tea, and co-operate with the police without a fuss (I'm sure if I were a minority in a racist part of the country, I would probably have to argue with the cops being that I would be targetted, though). So I'm not entirely enlightened on the difference between decriminalization and legalization.

Either way, I don't support, or condone the use of marijuana whether it be for medicinal or non-medicinal purposes. As far as the medical industry is concerned, there are plenty of drugs that have been around for decades that will do the same effect without the killing of brain cells.

Mind you, I understand that a moderate use of pot (i.e.- not getting high frequently, or taking too much of it when you do) is no more dangerous than having the odd social drink, but pot is like drinking, cigarettes, gambling, and other dangerous activities...it can become addicting very easily, and lead to devastating results.

Obviously I'm amongst a minority of non-pot smokers here, so 'preaching' about the proven dangers of marijuana won't do any good, especially since pot smokers seem bent on rationalizing by saying "oh it's not as dangerous as smoking cigarettes" and "it's not biologically addicting," or the occasionally spoken "it can actually improve your life by mellowing you out enough to cope and perform better."

I don't judge, and some of my best friends do pot. I don't preach at them, but they know where I stand. Nobody's perfect, and everyone has some sort of vice. I gave up drinking a while back, and I knew I was doing it too often, and it was interfering with my productivity and daily life in general.

Whether you're white, black, brown, yellow, or even albino, I don't agree with the legalization of marijuana. I think perhaps it could be tolerated more as an individual's right to destroy themselves, but I don't think it should be sold publically, used in hospitals, or promoted through advertisement in any media. The day I'm watching t.v. and I see an advertisement for a pack of marijuana cigarettes is the day I'm getting up and moving to a remote country with conservative moral values.

Call me square, call me a hypocrite, call me whatever you like. I don't hate anybody who does pot, and I have enormous respect for people who do pot. Not FOR their pot-smoking, but because of who they are, despite their affliction.

So I apologize to anyone offended by my stance, I don't mean to come across judgemental in any way, I'm just not for the sociological moralization of yet another potentially addicting substance that could tear the moral fabric of our society apart, destroy families, and cripple our various industries.

[60fps]

I'm of Jamaican decent and I remember asking my mother about weed when I was young. She said that back home in Jamaica it was natural and unaltered. She would see the Rasta men smoke it all the time like it was nothing and it basically was.

The difference is that in American society, once something is seen as profitable it becomes competitive. This increases demand and demand increases competition to satisfy customers.

We already have altered pot being sold in various flavors and colors. Imagine how far it would be taken once it's legal and corporations can invest R&D teams to enhance it's effects. Look at our fruits and vegetables. We now have bigger oranges that actually have even less vitamin C.

Somethings are best left alone in the U.S. Mankinds habit of corruption has no bounds and once they make weed a mainstream or legal drug, it'll be exploited worst than blacks on BET.

[ApollosWorld]

Kingpin,

So as to not misinterpret what you just said, are you saying you're against the legalization? But for decriminlization?

This meaning you don't want it sold at your local supermarket, but it wouldn't necessarily be against your creed to make it ok for one to grow it for personal use in their own backyard?

This is what decriminlization is.

[Kingpin]

Kingpin,

So as to not misinterpret what you just said, are you saying you're against the legalization? But for decriminlization?

This meaning you don't want it sold at your local supermarket, but it wouldn't necessarily be against your creed to make it ok for one to grow it for personal use in their own backyard?

This is what decriminlization is.
Ah okay I was confused about what the decriminalization involved. Thank you for clearing that up. :smile1:

So to answer your question, I guess I'm not really sure. Ideally, I'd be against the decriminalization and legalization of the use of marijuana, both in medical facilities and elsewhere. I view it to be something as dangerous as LSD, hashish, cocaine, ecstasy, and other hard drugs.

But I'm a realist, and a humanitarian, so it's not in my nature to walk up to someone who's doing pot and say "YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT!" I don't impose my beliefs on others, I'm just sayin' if there was a vote on it, I'd vote to outlaw marijuana altogether.

I hope that clears things up. lol. I have a bad habit of creating more confusion when explaining myself, so let me know if you need further explanation or wish to offer a rebuttal. :smile1:

[MorpheusX]

Actually they've done studies on the effects of marijuana and yes like ANY pollutant you put into your body, it eventually kills brain cells. But that's no different than cigarettes, alcohol, prescription drugs, etc. So should we ban them too?

However, unlike those, marijuana has many unmatched medicinal uses with NO SIDE EFFECTS that it's not even funny.

But if nothing else, we should all be for the decriminalization of marijuana because it's a 100% natural plant that grows wildly in nature. Banning marijuana is like banning oregano and thyme because people found out that when you smoke it, it makes you feel good. It's just silly. How are you going to tell another human being what they can and cannot do to their bodies?

If you're a religious person then understand that GOD MADE MARIJUANA. So it was His will that this thing existed and we have dominion over everything.

Marijuana is legal in some countries and with a medical permit, it's also legal in some states here. But marijuana was smoked for hundreds of years all over he world, including the U.S. (Native American peace pipes, anyone?) and even by Queen Victoria reportedly smoked weed!

The real reason marijuana is illegal is because it's made so cheaply and in such high quality in Mexico and Jamaica and Canada that even if the U.S. legalized it, they wouldn't be able to compete with the foreign growers. Even if Merck and Ely Lilly, GlaxoSmithKlineBeacham or whatever other Big Pharma corp got in the game, they still couldn't compete with Jose in Mexico or Trevor in Jamaica cranking out bushels of the stuff for pennies on the dollar.
Plus they couldn't patent it and they can't even trace where the weed comes from so there's no way to regulate it.

Look, I don't like weed, but I've become wiser about why people us drugs and alcohol. They use it to change how they feel emotionally and manage stress. It's a coping tool. Some people drink, others eat, others smoke weed, others use coke and heroine and other hard drugs, some go jogging, others work out, some have sex and others get into fights.

Everyone's got their own way of coping with emotions and emotional states they don't like and find ways to change them. I don't think anyone should ever be sent to jail because they are looking for a way to feel better or to numb the pain of their lives. Ever.

They need help, not incarceration. That's just my 2 cents...

[Kingpin]

I agree with you that incarceration is not the answer to those sort of things, Morph.

I just saw something on t.v. today where little known t.v. celebrities were expressing their opinion on sociological issues, and their stand was "do what makes you feel good, because you have a right to feel good." And yes, they meant it literally, without any restraints. I almost threw up when I saw them say that. If my girl ever cheated on me because it made her feel good, I would be absolutely devastated. WHY do you restrain yourself from certain things? Because of the damage it does to other people, that's why. People seem bent on believing that the world is all around doing what's best for you, but if everyone's looking out for themselves, they're not looking out for those around them, or concerned with the consequences of their actions if it has to do with someone else. i.e.- "if I drink in excess for many years and my liver ends up failing, I'll change my drinking habits. But if I end up hitting my wife and kids in the process, fuck them."

But as you said, Morph, and I agree, marijuana is just like any other substance - it can be abused, and cause severe problems - physically, psychologically, financially, and socially. I quit drinking as I said before, and I'm in the process of quitting smoking too. Sure I'll have two less ways of coping with things, but there are healthier ways to cope with stress, I think we're just usually too lazy to do it. Like jogging, working out, eating healthy foods that keep our chemical balances in check, etc.

One thing I have to respectfully disagree with though, is the mentality of "people should be allowed to do what they want to their bodies." Again - society has a very inward perspective and believes the world is all about the individual rather than a collective. When you destroy your own body, you destroy those around you who become concerned for you, worried for you, cry for you, whether it's from becomming a drug addict, overeating and suffering from health problems, becoming an alcoholic and throwing your life away, or whatever. The person committing these 'crimes' is far from the only one involved.

I think ones perspective tends to change significantly after experiencing a loved one (my dad) taking their own life, because it puts a whole new spin on that "you should be able to do whatever you want to your own body." His actions devastated and destroyed the lives of everyone close to him, especially my mom and me. My mom still isn't over it completely and it's been about 11 years since then.

I don't want to make it too personal though, or come across as biased.

As I said, I still have enormous respect for people who partake in marijuana. I mean some of my musical idols and inspirations for my composing were absolute boozehounds and noted for their public drunkenness. Though I loathe alcohol, I still respect them beyond my means.

People will always do what they do, no man is perfect. Oh and going back to what you said about God creating marijuana, I have one point for you: remember the tree of knowledge of good and evil? God created it as a temptation for Adam and Eve to test their obedience. I'm a pastor's kid, raised in the church, and was even a music minister, so if you ever wanna talk about the bible, I'm aaaaaall ears. :smile1:

But in summation...look where I am...I'm on a porn site, basically. Not only that, but a place where porn is distributed without paying any fees. Where someone with a good internet connection could download $100 worth of porn in 5 minutes without paying a dime. So I'm not perfect, nor do I claim to be, and I don't judge those who choose to do pot. I just think marijuana, alcohol, gambling, and yes even smoking too - should not be so socially accepted, given their destructive nature. Even though I know full well, even if they were outlawed, people would still be doing them illegally, just like before gambling was legalized, and during the prohibition, etc. But the moment the nation says "it's okay to do this," they're saying nothing's wrong with it, and there are already enough destructive things the nation is doing right now.

And again, I apologize to anyone who may be offended by what I'm saying. I mean no judgement or hate, it's just another voice, that's all. :smile1:

[MorpheusX]

Don't apologize for expressing your opinion. Ever.
You're a free-born human being and it's your right to think and feel however you choose to, regardless of whether others agree with you or not. And that's the beauty of life. You see, as individual beings, we are free to BE, hence BE-INGS.

Optimus Prime said it best - "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings".

But if we choose to live as part of a society, then we choose to agree to abide by the customs and "rules" of that society. Most of us are BORN into a society, however, so we are barely aware of the fact that we are indeed, free beings.
But some of those rules or customs society tries to force us into accepting and believing in are wrong and so they are fought against and eventually, many of them are changed. So what's illegal and frowned upon today can become legal and de rigeur tommorow.

That's because free thinking individuals refuse to accept the hypnosis of the culture and refuse to give up their freedom and free will.
They sound the alarm and try to open the eyes of the rest of society. They peel back the layers of brainwashing and allow people to see the things they have been indoctrinated into accepting without question for all of their lives in a new light. And eventually, after enough people have come to the light, they begin to apply pressure until finally, the society's rules change.
Such it was for slavery, Women's suffrage, Civil Rights, etc.

There is always the status quo and those who buy into it or have been indoctrinated to accept and believe without questioning it and then there are the free thinkers and rogues (like me! :-) )
Society has a way of making things taboo when it suits their financial/religious/political needs. Remember when alcohol was made illegal during Prohibition in the U.S.?

The point here is, human beings are born FREE. No one should or can tell you how to think, feel or be.

As much pain as it may bring to your mother to see you drop out of dental school and pursue a career as rock musician, it's YOUR life and it's the only one you have, so you want to make the best of it and live it the way you see fit.

Just like as much as it aggravates a Christian to see people having sex or children out of wedlock - just like humans have been doing for the 146,000+ years before marriage was introduced as a social custom (and much later infused with a bogus religious overtone) roughly just 4,350 years ago.

But the thing we often don't think about is, it truly IS YOUR LIFE. If you were on a deserted island, it would just be you, doing what feel natural to you and what you like. Rules are only required when you live together with others in a society and there must be agreements made to protect people from doing unwanted things to each other.

But you are still an individual and your body is YOURS and yours alone. When they started creating laws to try and control what you to do YOURSELF, they crossed the line and are now creating a form of slavery.

So they try to get you to behave the way they want by other forms of mind control. Religion, politicians repeating silly mantras over and over, television, music, etc. All these things are designed to make you think the way those who are in power want you to for their political/religious/financial ends.
But not all of us buy into that.Some of us still remember that we are free-born men and no one has the right to tell you how to feel, think or what to do with your own body, because that is YOURS and no one else's.

So as distasteful as it might sound and as hurtful as that might be to those around him, your father had the right to take his own life. That was his choice as a free being. It was his life to take and his body to do with what he pleased.

I don't agree with what he did and I would never do it myself and I might desperately want him not to do it and might try to talk him out of it, but if I cross the line and try to force him to do or not do whatever I want, then I've done far worse than kill him.

I've taken away his FREEDOM.

Freedom or death, my brutha.

Live free or kill the motherfuckers that are trying to take your freedoms away is my motto. :-)

[Kingpin]

I always respect your replies, Morph. You speak very poignantly, and with great tact, and in a way that is neither demeaning nor aggressive.

I do admire and respect your views on individuality, and you raise an excellent point about how things only change what a person does based on the fact that they become part of a community. And yes, perhaps it is my religious upbringing that affects my perceptions, along with my own personal experiences and life journey.

You're right, my dad had a right to take his own life, and I don't dispute that people do have rights to do whatever they want, which is exactly why I said before that I don't have a problem with people doing the things they do, I simply believe that the government should not condone something that can have severe consequences, and provide it with judicial immunity.

And of course I remember Prohibition...not personally of course, I'm not that old, but I learned all about it and even went to an Al Capone themed restaurant/nightclub as a kid. Haha that was the first time I got a kiss from a strange woman (strange as in I didn't know her, as opposed to her being peculiar). I didn't wash my cheek for a week!!!! lol. :laugh:

You're right about the social mentality towards laws and how illegal things end up being legal before a matter of time. Thank God slavery was abolished, though I think women shouldn't be able to vote since they're not really people, they're just objects for us to have our sexual way with...... KIDDING!!!! :laugh: Okay that really wasn't funny, but it's late! lol.

Whoever said Christians hate watching sex, though?I'm very much of a pervert, despite being a semi-devout Christian, and I'd watch just about any couple have sex. :yikes: I've always been fascinated by sexuality and I learn by observation, so the more I watch, the more I take into account.

Anyway, I'm glad we can disagree amiably, and for the record, I'm not against people having the freedoms to do things, I'm just against the government and legal system allowing immunity for activities that could be significantly harmful to people and those around them.

I do realize I don't need to apologize for expressing my opinion so vigorously, but I guess I'm just a bit sensitive to others and don't want to be on anyones bad side, ya know? :look:

Truly a pleasure as always. :yes:

[bissey]

My view on this is, any substance can have a different effect on person to person. My brother developed schizophrenia through smoking weed/hash, i didn't and we smoked the same.
I don't smoke tobacco so i used to smoke straight weed he mixed it, i don't know if it made a difference. Anyway my point is if you legalize it some people will have health problems some won't so its like alcohol, some go crazy after a drink and beat women! some go to sleep, its all about the individual not the drug.

As far as LSD goes it is by far my favorite i have had endless trips that you couldn't even imagine! For the loved up feeling you can't beat mushrooms its the best experience i have ever had, yes its even better than SEX!!!

Here is a pic of some mushrooms i grew a couple of years ago.

This is a 10 day grow kit, and yes i grew them in that bucket!!!!

http://img9.imagepile.net/img9/67728day9.6.jpg

[unstable]

research has shown that if you compare lethal cases caust by using weed and alcohol, and the outcome was that alcohol has more potential for killing, . Think about it. You destroy your stoache, liver, kidneys, brains, heart, your cholesterol level rises. And using weed is less bad for you.

And the goverment here knows if you legalize it therewill be less crime. Like drugdealing tht goeswrong. Or stealing.any person of 18 and above can walk right into a coffeshop and say yo mista pass mi sum. Youcan even sit inyour balcony smoke some and wave to the officers that walk by

[MorpheusX]

perhaps it is my religious upbringing that affects my perceptions, along with my own personal experiences and life journey.

Hey, I was raised initially as a Baptist when I was small and then early in my adolescence we became non-denominational Born Again Christians.

Saturday morning family prayer meetings and bible reading, Sundays all day in church (I SWEAR we started at 9 AM and didn't leave until 3 PM!), regular prayer meetings in the home at night where my mother would invite like 10-15 people for obnoxiously loud praying and singing) and I was an assistant Sunday school teacher in my teens.

If that's not enough, my mother later became an ordained Reverend and an international missionary.
Later as a part of a Christ-centric Masonic Lodge I taught esoteric Biblical lessons.

So TRUST me when I say, I know ALL about the Bible and religion in general and the indoctrination into it's tenets of faith. I'm not ignorant of "The Word". lol.. But my religious education in Christianity didn't stop with the Bible, so now I know it's a load of hooey. But that's a discussion for another thread. lol


I simply believe that the government should not condone something that can have severe consequences, and provide it with judicial immunity.

I don't think the Judicial system should ever have any part of what a person does to their own body. I believe that anything you do whether it's substances you put into your body, or how you adorn your body or alter/modify your body or train it, etc should ever be subject to anyone else's judgment, discretion or values.
It's your body and the right of the individual must be absolute, always, in all cases, at all times. As long as they are doing to their own bodies, it should be no one's business.



Whoever said Christians hate watching sex, though?I'm very much of a pervert, despite being a semi-devout Christian, and I'd watch just about any couple have sex. :yikes: I've always been fascinated by sexuality and I learn by observation, so the more I watch, the more I take into account.

If Christians had their way, I mean this truly, they'd find a way to make being caught masturbating some form of legally actionable offense.




Anyway, I'm glad we can disagree amiably, and for the record, I'm not against people having the freedoms to do things, I'm just against the government and legal system allowing immunity for activities that could be significantly harmful to people and those around them.

Surely, you are referring to "emotionally harmful" things, not physically harmful, as of course, the freedoms extend to all. Freedom to do what you want to and with yourself as long as it doesn't impinge on anyone else's freedoms or rights is implied.
Now there's the catch. I'm against the government having ANY SAY in how you live your life, what you do to yourself and your body. Remember that certain sex acts are still ILLEGAL and punishable in certain Southern states in the U.S.
If that's not a shining example of what happens when you give the government the power to legislate morality and decide matters of individual taste, I don't know what is.

As long as there is the vehicle to allow those with power or influence to try and force others into behaving the way they' like them to, there will be those who will abuse that power and try to create the world in their image.

That's why the only solution is total personal freedom. Then it's all about the choices the individual makes.

Oh and hey, about your girlfriend cheating on you or being faithful, it's ALWAYS been her choice whether or not to do that. Right now it feels good to her to be faithful. But if you fuck up badly enough and for long enough, the day might come when it will feel better to her to be with another man.
She's always had free will and has always CHOSEN to be faithful. But there's no law short of marriage vow that obligates her to be so. And then that's an AGREEMENT she's voluntarily entering into. So it's still free will even then.



I do realize I don't need to apologize for expressing my opinion so vigorously, but I guess I'm just a bit sensitive to others and don't want to be on anyones bad side, ya know? :look:

Fuck 'em if they can't take someone else expressing an opinion that differs from theirs. As long as an opinion is sincere and not some forum troll-style, contrarian exercise, then no one can say a god damn thing about it. ;-)



My view on this is, any substance can have a different effect on person to person. My brother developed schizophrenia through smoking weed/hash, i didn't and we smoked the same.

Whoah.. I am VERY VERY close to 2 people with forms of schizophrenia. One suffers from Schizoaffective Disorder with Manic components of Bipolar disorder and the other has full blown Bipolar Disorder with some schizoaffective components (hearing a voice or voices in his head at all times, impulse control issues, etc).

I've read soooooooooo much on the subject that I'm a virtual psychiatrist on this issue.

I can tell you unequivocally that schizophrenia, Bipolar Disorder, etc are NOT caused by drugs. Many people with those disorders turn to drugs to try and help them cope (trust me, what they suffer is terrifying).
So often times you'll find people with those afflictions on drugs. Or the drugs may exacerbate or precipitate the onset of symptoms, such as a psychotic break, etc. But the medical condition is preexisting in all of these cases.

It's almost always hereditary (usually one of the parents is an undiagnosed schizophrenic or manic depressive (bipolar disorder) or they have some mild form of it that flies under the radar and never manifests itself in a full on psychosis. So check your parents.

These illnesses are generally hereditary, so get yourself checked out, too. I'm sure it's nothing, but better safe than sorry.

[mrdwilson78]

In terms of Marajuana all I have to say is listen to my boy Peter Tosh....

You couldnt of said it better GaLupo

[ApollosWorld]

Hollllly Shit you two!


I need to come back and read your posts in spurts.

Daaaaaammmnnnn!!

I'll be back to read the rest.

[datguy]

I personally don't smoke, but if alcohol is legal it seems absurd that weed isnt seeing as how it is far worse and does nothing but create a black market that affects minorities and youth. The drug war is a reactive solution to a problem that requires proactive solutions, but that would be a lot harder and might actually require competent individuals and legislation where (US) there is little to be found.

let us also not fool ourselves into thinking the government cares about our bodily health lest we be reminded of lead paint toys, asbestos in buildings, salmonela outbreak, and the list goes on. Simply put its economics with a bit of class warfare, a sprinkle of youth demonization, a pint of good ol religious idiocy.